Multi-timeframe MAs + Stoch RSI SignalsHello traders,
I welcome you to my first published script on TradingView: “Multi-timeframe Moving Averages + Stochastic RSI”.
The script is based on a simple formula: Buy signals are generated when a fast moving average is above a slower moving average (uptrend) and the Stochastic RSI K line is crossing above the oversold level (entry).
Sell signals are generated when a fast moving average is below a slower moving average (downtrend) and the Stochastic RSI K line is crossing below the overbought level (entry).
This indicator works best in strong trends!
**Please note the above example has repainting turned on which may produce unrealistic results when viewing historical data. See below for more information regarding this and how you can turn it off.**
The user has the following inputs:
- Option to change the Stochastic RSI settings, including the oversold and overbought levels.
- Option to enter any value for both the Fast Moving Average and the Slow Moving Average.
- Option to change between EMA or SMA for each moving average.
- Multiple time frames to choose from, as well as the ability to selectively turn off individual time frames (both plots and alerts).
(Default time frames are 1 hour, 4 hour, and Daily. You can have a 4th time frame by changing your current time frame to something lower than the other 3 time frames)
- Turn on/off repainting: If repainting is turned on you will get an alert and buy/sell signal on chart immediately when condition is met, however the signal may disappear from chart if the condition reverses during the same candle.
If repainting is turned off, the indicator will wait for the candle to close before issuing the alert and painting the signal on chart.
For higher time frames, the indicator will wait for the candle in the higher time frame to close before issuing a signal if repaint is turned off. Default is set to Repaint on, so please be aware of this if you do not want repainting.
How to use alerts:
- Before you do anything, make sure your current time frame is the lowest time frame you’d like alerts on, as you will still receive alerts for the higher time frames you selected in settings.
- Once you have all the settings changed to how you like, save your chart first. Then right click on any of the indicator’s buy/sell signals on the chart and click “Add Alert on MAs + Stoch RSI”.
- Make sure “Any alert() function call” is selected under the Condition.
- You can delete or change the text in “Alert name” if you want as the alert message is already built into the indicator, and it will tell you in the alert message which asset and time frame to buy or sell.
Other things to note:
- The indicator will not display the buy/sell signals of lower time frames when you are on a higher time frame. This was done purposely to reduce clutter on the chart when you switch to higher time frames.
- While the alert message will tell you which time frame a signal was generated, the plots on the chart will instead show “Buy/Sell TF1, or TF2, or TF3”.
If the signal is from the current time frame that the alert was created on, then it will simply show “Buy” or “Sell”.
Hope you guys enjoy using this one, please drop a like if you found it useful. If anyone wants to modify my script in any way, please just credit me for the original work when you publish the script. Good luck!
Stochastic RSI (STOCH RSI)
JCipher Stochastic RSI Crossover AlertsCustom indicator to plot the stochastic RSI and print a highlighting bar to indicate when the fast signal curve crosses the slower one from underneath (crossover), to indicate a bullish trend change.
Forex scalper 2xEMA + SRSI + MACDThis is a forex scalping strategy designed for the most liquid pairs, like major forex pairs.
Its made of
1 EMA 50
1 EMA 100
Stochastic RSI
MACD
Rules
For long :close of the candle is above moving average 50, moving average 50> moving average 100, macd histogram is positive and cross over of stochastic rsi with the oversold level.
For short :close of the candle is below moving average 50, moving average 50 < moving average 100, macd histogram is negative and cross under of stochastic rsi with the overbought level.
Exit
For exit we have take profit and stop loss using fixed pip points.
For this example on EURUSD we use 20 pips for both tp and sl
IF you have any questions let me know !
Stochastic RSI + WMA + SMA strat// "...an entry signal it's a cross down or up on
// the stochastics. if you're in a downtrend
// on the hourly time frame you
// must also be in a downtrend on the five
// minute so the five period has to be below the 144
// as long as the five period is still trading below
// the 144 period on both the hourly and the five minutes
// we are looking for these short signals crosses down
// in the overbought region of the stochastic. Viceversa for longs"
// Works well with a wide stop with 20 bars lookback
// for the SL level and a 2:1 reward ratio Take Profit .
// These parameters can be modified in the Inputs section of the strategy panel.
3 EMA + Stochastic RSI + ATR 3ESRA
v0.2a
Coded by Vaida Bogdan
3ESRA consists of a 3 EMA cross + a close above (for longs) the quickest EMA
or below (for shorts). Note that I've deactivated the RSI Cross Over/Under
(you can modify the code and activate it). The strategy also uses a stop loss
that's at 1 ATR distance from the entry price and a take profit that's at
4 times the ATR distance from the entry price.
Barholle eMA and RSI Movement TestThis is a test that offers insight into whether and asset is heading into bullish or bearish territory.
This indicator/test offers insight into the Exponential Moving Average's velocity and acceleration as well as the Stochastic RSI's velocity, acceleration and jerk. Included is a 'Stochastic Difference' and 'Stochastic Growth' indicators (commented out) that measure the difference between K and D in the Stoch RSI as well as the rate of it's change. This test is all about crossovers - the best leading indicator is a downward cross of the eMA velocity over the eMA acceleration, indicating a drop in price in the current or next bar.
The lines or importance have been set to -2 and 5, but these should be adjusted to suit your preferences. These numbers were chosen in order to try and create some kind of threshold after which action might be suggested. Backtesting is highly recommended so you can see how the test does and does not work. It is super powerful, but it is not omniscient - its an RSI and eMA derivative, past success does not necessarily dictate future success.
Please look at the code for several more plots you can use of derivatives and other ideas explore but commented out for greater legibility of the graph. Commenting and commenting (or uncommenting all and just disabling some in the settings) and comparing the graphs and crossovers is a useful exercise. To that end, one last concept - the MARSI - a combined moving averages and RSI measurement - was abandoned because it didn't appear to indicate anything of use, however you may find crossovers or patterns with it comparing it to other graphs, so it was left in but commented.
Please take a look at the comments and all the math and indicators 'left on the cutting room floor' in the script. Maybe you'll find a gem in the redux version of this script.
Outreach regarding the script, patterns noticed and full-on stealing of the script are all permitted. Many elements of this script were nabbed from other scripts - thank you to a community of coders who put it all out there.
EmperorBTC's VWAP StrategyEmperorBTC's VWAP Indicator & Strategy
v2.1
coded by Bogdan Vaida
This indicator was created after EmperorBTC's conditions.
Good timeframes for it: 30', 15', 5'
To convert from strategy to study switch the commented lines in the beginning
and at the end of the script and vice versa.
What this indicator does is to check if:
o Pivot Point was crossed
o Stoch-RSI and VWAP were crossed in current or previous candle
o Candle (or previous candle) close is in the trend direction
If all these are true then it will go long or short based on direction.
Stochastic RSI - DurbtradeDurbtrade Stoch RSI -
1) Stoch RSI
A) The K line can be customized to change color based on vertical direction.
B) The space between K line and D line can be filled with a color depending on whether K line is above or below the D line.
C) There are color-coded, cross-over and cross-under background fills, to signal when the K line crosses the D line.
D) K line is drawn in front of D line (D line is drawn behind K line).
E) Default values : K = 3, D = 4, RSI Length = 14, Stoch Length = 14
2) Horizontal Lines
A) Horizontal lines can be drawn automatically, so you don't have to draw them, and they don't extend past the current bar.
B) There are 11 customizable horizontal lines,
and each line is set to non-customizable increments (zero, 10, 20, 30, 40, fifty, 60, 70, 80, 90, hundred).
C) The 11 lines are divided into 2 groups:
a) 4 PAIRS of lines WITH fill options (10/90, 20/80, 30/70, 40/60... 8 lines total), and
b) 3 INDIVIDUAL lines WITHOUT fill options (zero, fifty, hundred).
D) The 4 fills give you the option to fill the space between each pair with a customizable color and opacity,
regardless of whether the lines themselves are drawn or not.
(all default values are what I feel work best for this indicator...
and initially, only the zero, fifty, and hundred lines are drawn automatically .
You may add the other lines if you choose to, by adjusting the opacity to your liking).
3) Conclusion
A) As with my previous indicators, this one maximizes information, color, discernment, clarity, and customization.
B) It is optimized for your ability to be able to easily customize the indicator according to your preferences...
for use on your own personal television, laptop, or cellular phone screen setup... and on all chart zoom levels and layouts.
C) Please feel free to comment your thoughts, critiques, or suggestions. They are all helpful!
D) Check out my previous pine script indicators if you like this one. They work really well together.
E) I hope that you find this script useful.
F) Enjoy!
//Durbtrade
Stochastic MomentumThis RSI indicator uses the difference between the K and D values in the Stochastic RSI indicator. Using the same layered lengths of 12, 24, 48 and 96 intervals that the Avg Stoch RSI indicator, this offers a rate of change momentum measurement. Crossovers are at zero, this indicator gives a clearer indicator of market momentum.
Avg Stoch-RSIThis is a Stochastic RSI measurement that averages four different RSI lengths in order to catch short length as well as longer length trends. The lengths are intentionally chosen to give you periods between 1 to 4 days on the 1hr and proportionally further back by increased period.
Ichimoku EMA RSI - Crypto only long StrategyHey there!
Here I show you an Ichimoku Cloud Strategy.
I discovered the strategy on a YouTube channel and tried to transfer it as a strategy into a script.
He said in his video that you would make more profit with this strategy than holding the coin.
Tested with the crypto pair ETH/USDT in the four hour chart.
Period: beginning of 2017 until today.
The strategy should also work with foreign exchange. But then the settings have to be adjusted.
There is the possibility to activate two EMA's and a Stochastic RSI .
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How does the strategy work?
ENTRY
The green Ichimoku lead line must above the red Ichimoku lead line - only the two lead lines are activated.
A green candle must closed above the green lead line.
EXIT
A red candle must close below the green Ichimoku lead line.
OPTIONAL ENTRY
EMA
Once you activate the EMA , long positions will only be taken once the EMA1 is above the EMA2.
Thereby I could observe a significant increase of the profit as well as a decrease of the maximum drawdown.
RSI
As soon as you activate the Stochastic RSI , long positions are only taken when the K line is above the D line.
In the future, I may add an oversold - undersold parameter.
The results of the strategy are without commissions and levers.
If you have any questions or feedback, please let me know in the comments.
If you need more information about the strategy and want to know exactly how to apply it, check out my profile.
I wish you good luck with the strategy!
Tripple super Trend + EMA + RSI StrategyGreetings!
Here I show you the Tripple Super Trend Strategy.
I discovered the strategy on a YouTube channel and tried to transfer it as a strategy into a script.
Tested with the currency pair EUR/USD in the one hour chart.
Period: beginning of 2020 until today.
The strategy should also work with cryptocurrencies. But then the settings have to be adjusted.
There is the possibility to activate only long or only short position.
The EMA can be used in a time different from the chart.
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How does the strategy work?
For long positions, the candle must be above the EMA .
The candle must be closed above at least two of the supertrend lines.
The stochastic RSI must show oversold and the k line must cross over the D line.
For short positions, the candle must be below the EMA .
The candle must be closed below at least two of the supertrend lines.
The stochastic RSI must indicate overbought and the K line must cross below the D line.
The stop loss is determined with the "lowest low/highest high lookback".
The profit factor is multiplied by the value of the lowest low/highest high lookback.
The results of the strategy are without commissions and levers.
If you have any questions or feedback, please let me know in the comments.
In the future I will add other types of stop loss / take profits. (ATR; %; eg.)
If you need more information about the strategy and want to know exactly how to apply it, check out my profile.
I wish you good luck with the strategy!
Stochastic RSI w/ Crossover Alerts (by WJ)NOTE:
// STOCH RSI CODE TAKEN FROM DEFAULT INDICATOR
// I HAVE ONLY MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS FOR VISUAL AID
// I MADE THIS FOR MY OWN USE BUT HAVE DECIDED TO PUBLISH AND SHARE IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO USE IT
This is the normal default built-in Stochastic RSI indicator which I have added some stuff for visual aid:
Added middle line (50)
Stoch RSI background turns green when K line crosses D line UPWARDS, K line is below the 50 level, and price is above 200 EMA
Stoch RSI background turns red when K line crosses D line DOWNWARDS, K line is above the 50 level, and price is below 200 EMA
Alert notification on the crossover candle with background colour change conditions met
Dump Detector - Stochastic RSIDump Detecter uses Stochastic RSI to detect dumps/downtrends. Can be used as an exit trigger for long bots or an entry trigger for short bots. Change settings to lower timeframe for scalping. Pump signals can be turned on with tickbox.
Default Settings are not the usual Stochastic RSI setup and have been tuned to bitcoin 3hr chart:
Timeframe = 3hrs
smoothK = 3
smoothD = 3
lengthRSI = 6
lengthStoch = 27
src = close
All in One Strategy no RSI Label - For higher dollar cryptoThis is the All in One Strategy without the RSI suggestion label that will work well for any of the crypto currencies trading above $500 so the overlay shows up better. I am using ETH as an example on this.
Based on some comments on my previously published script that has been replaced I have added Alert Conditions to this version that can be used in other bots. You can also copy and paste these alert conditions into the other All in One script I published for the lower priced cryptocurrencies.
To use the alert conditions I have in here, you will need to convert this strategy into a study to do so. Delete the entry and exit logic at the end (lines 299 through 351), delete line 18 and paste the following in place of line 18:
study(shorttitle='Ain1 No Label',title='All in One Strategy no RSI Label', overlay=true, scale=scale.left)
Here are the settings to mimic what you see here in the back test strategy I am publishing. Remember that previous results do not guarantee future results.
Chart Time = 30 Minutes (if you didn't read my original All in One post, read it. Shorter isn't better. You lose your money faster in a shorter amount of time and I learned that the hard way)
Start Time = 1 April 2021 00:00
End Time = 31 December 2021 00:00
Trade Type = Long/Short
Stop Loss % = 20.1
Take Profit % = 14.57
RSI Length = 20
Overbought = 44
Oversold = 45
EMA Fast Length = 5
EMA Slow Length = 15
Overbought Lookback Minimum Value = 62
Overbought Lookback Bars = 3
Oversold Minimum Value = 43
Oversold Lookback Bars = 5
Source = Close
Max Lookback Period = 5
Use EMA Only = True (check the box)
K = 9
D = 17
K Mode = SMA
High Source = ohlc4
Low Source = ohlc4
Properties - Starting Amount is $3500, everything else is the same.
Any questions, feel free to ask. I will answer as soon as I can.
Stoch-RSI 4h/1h/15min!!!! Note: Run this on the 15min timeframe (Important) !!!!
Note the default settings on this indicator are best for BTC/USDT. For other pairs it might take some fiddling with variables to get a useful result (if a useful result is obtainable with the selected pair)
Generally, select between the options (RSI/Stoch) and (15min/1hour) and (1hour/4hours) - to find a strategy backtest result that is worth considering.
Only long positions are considered here (I tried shorts but could not get a credible backtest result with this approach).
This is an indicator which looks at RSI and StochRSI on the 15min, 1hour and 4hour timeframe.
The user can select a 15min/1hour option (RSI/Stoch) and then also a 1hour/4hour option (RSI/Stoch).
So there is one selection from a lower (15min/1hour) timeframe and another selection from a longer (1hour/4hour) timeframe.
The general idea is to, consider buying when, the lower timeframe (RSI/Stoch) is going upwards and also the longer timeframe (RSI/Stoch) is going upwards.
A good backtest result would suggest that the confluence in RSI/Stoch over the shorter and longer timeframes can estimate a good time to buy.
(Careful with a 1hour Stoch for the shorter timeframe variable as its possible to also select a 1hour Stoch for the longer timeframe variable.)
There are user set variables that can be set to avoid a buy signal, if either the lower or high timeframe variables are greater than.
For example, buying when a rsi/stoch is >65% might not be advisable as the rsi/stoch is most probably due for a downswing when above this value.
The strategy closes a position when either the shorter or longer timeframe variables no longer are going up.
There is also a take profit % which can be set to exit trades at a given %.
The default values on this indicator tool are for bitcoin, which shows a reasonable backtest result. - worth sharing on tradingview.
Please do get in touch for any additional information/suggestions.
Sincerely,
MoonFlag
3 EMA Stochastik RSI ATR SL TP only LONGHey there!
Here i will show you the 3 EMA RSI Stochastic Crossover strategy with an ATR SL and TP.
The strategy works as follows:
For long positions, the EMA's must be in the following order:
The 8 E M A must be above the 14 E M A and the 14 E M A must be above the 50 E M A.
The buy signal is given to us by the Stochastic RSI indicators.
The K line must cross the D line above. The following candle must then close above all E M A's.
The stop loss is determined by three times the value of the ATR.
The take profit is determined by two times the value of the ATR.
In this strategy only long positions are traded.
EmperorBTC's VWAP IndicatorThis indicator was created after EmperorBTC's conditions. Conditions displayed below:
Good timeframes for it: 30', 15', 5'
To convert from strategy to study switch the commented lines in the beginning and at the end of the script
What this indicator does is:
1) Check if Pivot Point was crossed
2) Stoch-RSI and VWAP were crossed up in current or previous candle
3) Candle (or previous candle) is green
Then, it will plot a Long opportunity.
FUTURE IDEAS:
- Volume Expansion
- Candle Stick patterns
3x SuperTrend Strategy (Mel0nTek) V1This is a triple SuperTrend based strategy for lower time frame trades such as day trades and scalping. I have not seen many strategies that combine multiple SuperTrends so I thought I would publish this one since I put it together and have been quite happy with the results. I have found through testing that the best results are on currency exchange markets such as Crypto or Forex on 1-15 min time frames.
The core idea was inspired by a youtube video put out by Trade Pro:
"Trade Pro - HIGHEST PROFIT Triple Supertrend Trading Strategy Proven 100 Trade Results"
I went ahead and set the defaults to the ones he uses in his video for anyone who wants to try a configuration similar to his. They work pretty well in general, however the EMA, SuperTrend ATR multipliers, and P/L ratio can be tuned/optimized to fit the timeframe/market desired. The video is quite good but not a required watch as I will explain below.
The 200EMA is used as a medium-term trend direction indicator.
- Price closing consistently above the 200EMA means that only long positions should be entered.
- Price closing consistently below 200EMA means that only short positions should be entered.
The 3 SuperTrend indicators should be used as direction confirmation for entries. Typically, price above SuperTrend indicates bullish movement, while price below SuperTrend indicates Bearish movement. However by itself, it is not a great indication to enter/exit positions in my experience. By combining 3 of them with slightly longer periods and increased ATR multipliers, we can get much stronger confirmation of trend direction/strength.
The way they are used in this strategy is such that:
- We only want to enter a position if at least 2 out of 3 SuperTrends are on our side.
- 3/3 SuperTrends on our side is the best case, since we are taking trades WITH momentum/price strength.
- The second farthest SuperTrend from entry price is used as a Stop Loss
SuperTrend being on our side is not the only requirement for an entry however. The probability of success is increased with SuperTrend, and a longer EMA on our side, but we want to be sure that we aren't getting in too late/after the movement has already happened.
So we use Stoch RSI to pick our entries where price is oversold/overbought and reversing. That means the Stoch RSI is above 80, or below 20, and our indication to enter the trade is when the 2 lines cross/begin reversing direction.
So with trend direction on our side, we can get really good entries at these oversold/overbought extremes, especially as it's reversing (Stoch RSI K and D are crossing). This allows us to use the SuperTrend as a support/stop loss on our entry since price should be above it.
Then we just target 1.5x our max loss so that even if we only win 50% of the time, we still make a profit.
The explicit rules of this strategy are as follows:
=== Rules ===
long only
- price above EMA200
short only
- price below EMA200
Stop Loss = 2nd SuperTrend line above (short) or below(long) entry candle
Profit = 1.5x SL/risk (Profit Ratio x Max Loss)
=== Entry Setup ===
LONG
- Stoch RSI below 20, cross up
- at least 2 SuperTrend lines below close
SHORT
- Stoch RSI above 80, cross down
- at least 2 SuperTrend lines above close
P.S. Special thanks to Trade Pro for producing so many quality videos, putting strategy claims to the test, and providing me with so many good ideas I apply to my own strategies.
Three EMA and Stochastic RSI Signals with TP and SL AlertsThis is kind of similar to one of my other scripts but I figured people might be looking for this one in a simple wrapped up package. It takes 3 EMAs, a 50, 14 and an 8 and the trade signals come from crossovers of the Stochastic RSI lines and conditions that marry up with the EMAs lining up in an uptrend or downtrend condition. I used the TP and SL lines from one of my other scripts so you can see where the winners and losers are. Includes alerts so they can be used with webhooks to automate however you wish. I have added signal confirmation with Weiss Wave Volume on side with trend. Stop and TP Levels are configurable in the settings as well as the periods for the ATR used in these calculations.
(JS) Triple StochasticSo I ended up adding a ton of stuff to my prior Double Stochastic script which you can see here .
The concept of the Double was to smooth out the existing Stochastic by applying a Stochastic to the existing Stochastic (hence the Double). My concept for the Triple Stochastic is much different. It combines a regular stochastic, stochastic RSI, and the double stochastic to get a smoothed output based on all 3.
Also - since I love being able to see a Squeeze (see my Squeeze Pro indicators - Squeeze Pro 2 & Squeeze Pro Overlays ) I added the Squeeze to the Stochastic (the dots). If you're unfamiliar with how a Squeeze works, or what it is, check out my links for explanation. A quick explanation however is that the Squeeze is an indicator that was invented by John Carter that detects price compression before a big move out of a range. This is done by using Bollinger Bands and Keltner Channels, the BB shrink inside the KC. The color of the dots represent the depth of the BB in the KC, white (or black) being the lightest squeeze, red being the standard squeeze, and yellow being the strongest squeeze. Now on to the indicator:
The first thing you'll notice is the options available for the type of Stochastic you'd like to use:
Standard : This is a regular Stochastic
Stochastic RSI : This is the standard Stochastic RSI
Double : This is the Stochastic on top of a Stochastic from the prior version
Triple : This is simply an average of all 3 of the above combined together
(Top indicator shows the Triple Stochastic)
The options "K", "D", and "Smooth" are the settings from a regular Stochastic used to set up the type of Stochastic you choose to use.
Now let's say you're not sure how one type performs compared to another, or you like the quickest momentum change but also like to see the smoothest trend, or you want to use the same types of Stochastic and watch for them to cross like moving averages - for these reasons I added the ability to add a second Stochastic for comparison.
(2nd indicator shows a fast and slow Triple Stochastic together)
Quite obviously, the "K 2", "D 2", and "Smooth 2" are what is used in order to set the parameters for the second Stochastic.
Now another thing I added was the option to replace the regular Stochastic and instead look at the distance between the K and D. By turning off "Use K% and D%" you get to see this in action. To put it simply, a cross above zero would indicate a positive Stochastic crossover, and a cross below zero would represent the opposite. There's also an option titled "SMA Length using Difference" which, to smooth this out a bit, allows you to apply a moving average to the distance. By setting it at 1 you'd see the actual distance between K and D.
(3rd indicator shows the K and D distance used as a plot)
Another thing I wanted to do was add a different type of background that wasn't based on the indicator itself. I decided to use ADX & DMI which is a great way to determine the trend. When you select "ADX/DMI BG" the BG colors will change from being based on the indicator to being based on ADX and DMI.
(The 3rd indicator also shows the ADX/DMI BG being used).
And now finally the last feature I decided to add takes us back to the Squeeze. Essentially it is just the Stochastic shown through the lens of Squeeze momentum, as I ended up plugging the Stochastic output into the Squeeze momentum formula to create an oscillator. By selecting "Use Oscillator" you will see this in action as well.
(Bottom indicator shows the oscillator addition)
Multi-timeframe Dashboard for RSI And Stochastic RSI Dashboard to check multi-timeframe RSI and Stochastic RSI on 4h, 8h, 12h, D and W
Great side tool to assist on the best time to buy and sell and asset.
Shows a green arrow on a good buy moment, and a red when to sell, for all timeframes. In case there are confluence on more than one, you have the info that you need.
Uses a formula with a weight of 5 for RSI and 2 for Stochastic RSI, resulting on a factor used to set up a color for each of the timeframes.
Legend per each timeframe:
- Blue: Excellent buy, RSI and Stoch RSI are low
- Green: Great buy, RSI and Stoch RSI with a quite positive entry point
- White: Good buy
- Yellow: A possible sell, depending on combination of timeframes. Not recommended for a buy
- Orange: Good sell, depending on combination of timeframes
- Red: If on more than one timeframe, especially higher ones, it is a good time to sell
For reference (But do your own research):
- Blue on Weekly: Might represent several weeks of growth. Lower timeframes will cycle from blue to red, while daily and Weekly gradually change
- Blue on Daily: Might represent 7-15 days of growth, depending on general resistance and how strongly is the weekly
PS: Check the RSI, Stochastic RSI and other indicators directly as well
